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The original article says that a mother forced the children to fight with the help of other women. It did say later in the article that they were all related, although I don't see how that would make it any worse. For the kids, it would have been horrible no matter what.

I did mention, more than once, in replying to the comments on the item, that the father of the children was the one who found the tape and passed it to the authorities.

I agree that the sentence seemed very lenient. Unfortunately, if similar instances of such suspended sentences are an indication of what will happen if they do the slightest thing wrong in the future, I doubt that these 4 women will have to worry much. Hopefully, though, the kids will be raised by someone else or at least with careful supervision.

but I suspect those who really NEED it don't go to them. As many of the troubled parents are on social security payments I think their payments should be tied in some way to their attendance at such groups too. Otherwise we have the low life raising more low life offspring.

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whose mother was on welfare for her first several years, I somewhat resent that designation of welfare people as "low-lifes." My mother was (and is) a good one, despite having all the normal factors against her, including a too-young pregnancy by rape. She was 16.

Also, some grandparents are stepping in because the parents are young and/or unwed. My mother's parents kicked her out for not aborting me, but I do know one family where a girl ended up pregnant by her boyfriend, and her parents still let her live and home and help her with the child.

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make it sound like that. I don't of course believe that all on social security are low lifes - I know only too well how circumstances change and how anybody can find themselves on welfare. I meant those people who are dysfunctional, don't work, don't want to work, don't want to contribute in any way, have anti social tendencies and rear their children to be the same.

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it is too broad of a sweep to assume that every mother on welfare is a bad mother. Likewise, it is too broad to assume that money or institutional training will make everyone a good parent. Of course, some parents will be open to training and insights that they have probably never heard before and that would be a benefit. Good for your mother!

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parenting classes is a great idea. I think all of us should suggest it to those in charge in our own areas. In the U.S., though, the civil liberties union would probably jump in and try to prove it was against their constitutional rights.

have a lot to answer for here too. And with a federal election coming up, it won't be on the agenda re social security payments. But even then "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

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offspring in raising their grandchildren not only because the children need them, but because they somehow feel guilty that they didn't raise their own children to be better parents. Sad, but true.

children want their own parents to do the parenting thing. Not all would be happy with their grandparents training.

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there father seems to be more responsible than the mother because after he found the tape, he was the one that brought it to the attention of the authorities. You do wonder, however, how many other poor little children are out there still being abused in this or similar ways.

let's hope he will remedy the situation. She may have been really immature to be a mother. It sounds like something a teenager might do. Some teenagers--most, I hope have more sense than that.

or so I've heard from people involved in the process.

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the situation. These kids have a father though. He said he ran across the tape by accident and called it to the attention of the authorities. Maybe he will dump his wife, and her sadistic relatives and care for the children himself.

and will carry the burden all their lives I suspect.

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the foster home's a good one.

It might have been a little better if the kids had wanted to fight, but according to the article, the women pushed them back into the fight time after time when the kids obviously wanted to stop. It really makes me wonder what these kids will be like, later on. Hopefully, they will forget it, if the abuse doesn't continue.

I don't remember what happened when I was two or even three, but you never know what is buried in your subconscious mind from those years.

it is different than when teens or adults fight. Young children may be quick to fight over a toy or a cookie, but within a few minutes they will once again be having fun and the earlier incident will be forgotten.

I would suspect these children will forget this fighting and move on, as long as the unruly adults change their behavior.

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